Short Men

I recently watched, with horrified amusement, a tv program about short men who choose to undergo excruciatingly painful surgical procedures (which basically involve breaking their legs and then keeping the bones slightly apart while they mend) in order to become a few inches taller.

Asked why they would choose to undergo such a drastic, and excruciatingly painful, procedure, they said things like “Do you have any idea what it’s like to go through life as a short person? To sit in a chair and only your toes reach the floor, you can’t put your feet flat on the floor? To not be able to reach stuff on the upper shelves in grocery stores? To be unable to drive trucks because you can’t reach the pedals properly? To have people always looking down at you? Do you know what that’s like?”

Well, yes, actually I do. I’m a woman. And in case you haven’t noticed, we’re almost all shorter than almost all of you.

Which suggests that the real problem is that these poor guys can’t take their rightful place over women. As one man, 5’6” before the surgery, said, “I’ll be a better father and husband and son.” Yup. Sure you will.



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    • joez on April 6, 2011 at 10:20 pm
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    I am a 5’5 male and you know as well ass I do
    that women generally have an aversion toward short men.
    I agree with you that these surgical procedures are stupid,
    however you magically turned this into a male bashing oppurtunity!

    “Which suggests that the real problem is that these poor guys can’t take their rightful place over women”

    Maybe their real problem is that they cant take any women.
    Chances are you would never date a man who was very short but
    somehow you twist this thing into females being victims.
    The fact that women reject short men en masse is what drove these men
    to such extremes.

    I suppose any short man’s criticisms of your statemens will be written off bo you as a “little man syndrome” but I find yout attitude very insulting and exremely self centered.

  1. I’d write a similar piece of female bashing about women who get breast implants in order to become better mothers and wives or to stand out in a crowd better – or to get a man – but it’s already been done and done again.

  2. Joez – also, note that ‘getting a woman’ (or in your words, ‘taking a woman’) was not one of the reasons mentioned in my piece. and maybe I’m missing something – how does being taller than a woman make you a better husband and father? I’d really like to hear your answer.

    • joez on April 22, 2011 at 10:59 am
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    Taking a woman was a strange typo, I meant getting.
    Most women simply will not date men wo are more than an inch or two
    below average height.

    “Which suggests that the real problem is that these poor guys can’t take their rightful place over women.”

    That is an absurd and condescending claim.
    Average height and tall men have less respect for short men
    if they have any at all and most women willrefuse to date short men.
    I don’t know why you interpret this gentleman’s actions
    as a desire to be taller than women. I would say most guys who wuold
    go to such extremes to become taller do so primarily because the vast majority of women wil not date short men.

    “Being taller than a woman”
    If women were willing to date short men, short men would not have
    such a problem with their height.

    Most women, short, tall, or average will not date short men but you are so caught up in your femnist victim role that you have to make it out to be about being taller than women.
    It blows my mind how women are generally such bitces and always cry victim. A woman cries out in pain as she punces you in the head.

    • Ed on August 11, 2011 at 10:50 pm
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    Gotta agree with Joez here. Women who live in western society are taught and trained to believe short men are inferior so it’s practically acceptable to denigrate short men. If I had a dime for every woman who disrespected me because of my height, I could almost afford this dangerous surgery. Short man syndrome is a cheap excuse by women to use against short men. The minute we stand up for ourselves against any kind of discrimination, we’re immediately seen as angry, aggresive and Napoleanic. Tall guys who stand up for themselves are fearless, sexy, heartthrobs. So with that being said, the playing field is very far from even and women’s liberation has greatly contributed to this cause. All of you strive for equality with men, but at the same time exclude a large population of us because we don’t stand 6’0 or more. I’d never go for that stupid leg lengthening surgery but I can understand why some guys do. If it means an ounce more respect and not to be stripped of ones manhood because of a lack of height, I understand. The breast implant argument is a very poor comeback and has nothing to do with the issue of height. More often women want bigger breasts and get implants because they compare themselves to other women who are more abundant. Getting bigger breasts won’t give you equal employment or social opportunities unless you’re a stripper or a porn star. Taller men get more respect immediately because this society puts tall and quality together.

  3. I agree that women who live in western society are taught and trained to believe short men are inferior. And they’re idiots not to question that.

    I would not call men who stand up against height discrimination angry, aggressive, or Napoleanic. I’m calling the ones who get the surgery in order to “become better husbands and fathers” (the words of the man getting the surgery, not me!) idiots. I still fail to see how being taller makes a man a better husband and father.

    I stand by my suggestion that being shorter than most men is as problematic for women as it is for short men, with regard to status in the world. If women were typically taller than men, I don’t believe the gender difference in power would be as it is today. The very tendency for men to want to be taller than the woman they date, and vice versa, coupled with the tendency on both sides to want the man to be the dominant one, supports this.

    The breast implant point is the same: in both cases people are getting stupid surgery in order to fit society’s definition of what a ‘real’ man/woman should be. Women think such surgery will increase their attractiveness to men, just as men think the lenthening surgery increases their attractiveness to women. And they are probably both right, to the extent they limit themselves to being attractive to stupid men and stupid women. Those are the ones who want a tall man and a chesty woman. And I think you’re wrong about the employment and social opportunity value of big boobs. Small-chested don’t get noticed as much, just as short men don’t.

    • Adrianne on February 14, 2012 at 4:23 am
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    I’m a 5’6″ BBW & I’ve always had a special place in my heart for short men. It seems to me from my experience that the short men that I’ve met aren’t attracted to me for some reason; hmmmm, go figure.
    Just saying.

    • Chris on June 2, 2012 at 7:45 am
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    Shorter American men, just find a way to leave America. There are better chances in other countries because the women are better minded. What America’s media is doing (brainwashing women) will eventually bite them in the butt. You see, by brushing so many good men aside, American women only have a small number of men to choose from. Here’s the “bust”… There are more women in America then males. What that means is, every “Pedestal Man” (tall guys) will have to have more than one woman, which brings cheating and using women into play. These women will compete for the “Pedestal Men” spreading their legs and dropping to their knees. A lot of these women will become pregnant as well. Even if the man multiple women are competing for decides to marry one, you still have all those other women who had babies from him because they were trying to win him over. Those women are now new single parent mothers. Guess what? It doesn’t stop there. Younger, finer women are growing up every year and they are all out there looking for “Pedestal Men” only. Which means, if the “Pedestal Man” dating pot is empty, these fine women now become what is known as the “Home Wreckers” and they will steal the married “Pedestal Men” away from their wives. Why do you think America’s divorce rate looks so bad? These “Pedestal Men” will have a hard time staying married because they get all the American women spreading their legs to them as soon as they walk into a room because of their height. Now this is where it gets worst for shorter men… It’s bad enough you will never find true love in America and will never smell a women’s scent, but you may also fall victim to a “Hand me down.” What is a “Hand me down” you say? That’s an America women who has now become too old to compete with the younger women for “Pedestal Men.” She is old, worn out and probably have multiple kids from different “Pedestal Men” and don’t forget about fat and out of shape. That’s it…. That is all America is offering perfectly healthy and successful men if they are 5’6″ or shorter. You can get by if you are 5’7″ tall (you just have to build one hell of a body and wear shoes with thick bottoms for added inches). Really, the only option a man at 5’6″ or less has is to get a really ugly worn out American women, or start looking outside the US for none American, none brainwashed women. Remember, it’s not American’s women fault, it’s all the different types of media in America painting the image that taller men are better. Fact is, every man is flesh and bone and there is no superman. US women say “greater security” with a tall men, but that’s BS. If I was a robber and wanted to rob a US woman, it doesn’t matter if she was with a man 7 foot tall weighing 500lbs. If I drop a bullet in his forehead, he’s dead!! “Greater security” is an illusion and further BS America is spitting out to women. I have also seen taller men get their butt kicked in fist fights with a shorter man. Really, skeletal size has nothing to do with anything because it’s just that…. Skeletal size! Kind of retarded if you think about it…blowing a man off because his skeletal size isn’t a certain size, wow. American women will always feel shamed in public with a shorter man, because America has convinced them that women taller than the man looks bad. I know I will be long dead and will not get to see what’s going to happened to America women in the far future, but they will get theirs too. You see, a lot of “Pedestal Men” are getting tired of America women ways. If they lose those men, then they will have no men and then they will get a taste of their own medicine. I wish I could live to see that day. A lot of straight men are going gay because of this dating game BS in America. Some shorter men have even killed themselves because life wasn’t worth living to them. Some have changed their sex. Sometimes I feel this is a plot set up by the leaders of America in order to cut down on the number of babies born each year, because we are over populated as it is. Jobs are tight because of it. One thing we can say, America can’t blame the short men for anything when it comes to bad relationships, single parent mothers, home wreckers, the dating game and bad divorce rate in America. “Pedestal Men” and brainwashed American women are doing it all!

    • Justin on August 25, 2012 at 10:52 pm
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    I am a 5’6″ male who lives in the central United States. When I was growing up, I was always the shortest male in my class, but it was such a non-issue that I was almost oblivious to my short stature. Even when I graduated high school, my height difference didn’t bother me at all. As a matter of fact, I never even acknowledged the fact that I was the shortest male in my large group of friends. I was completely happy with my height.
    A couple years after my high school graduation, I was engaged to my girlfriend who I had been dating for four years. Everything seemed fine between us until she started talking about how weird she felt about going out in public with me since I was a couple inches shorter than her. She loved to wear high heels, and I never complained about it, but she stopped wearing them because she towered over me when she did. Over time I could see that our height difference really bothered her. She started talking about her concern that our future children might be short like me, and she really didn’t want her children to be “cursed” with this shortness. I thought we had a perfect relationship, but things started falling apart. A year or so into our engagement, I found out she was cheating on me with another man… a man who happened to be about 6’4″ or so. Needless to say, I ended the relationship since she obviously didn’t want to be in a relationship with me.
    A year or so after that, I entered the dating scene again. I went to many different places to meet women, but I started to notice that women naturally gravitated toward taller men. As the years progressed, I realized just how hard I had to work to get a date. If I went to a bar or a club, I felt like I was literally invisible to women. There were so many people who just didn’t take me seriously. I even had girls laugh at me and make jokes about my height. I had to go the extra mile just to have a chance for a girl to get to know me. My height never bothered me… until it started to affect my happiness. I was desperate for advice, so I contacted a friend of mine who was a girl. I asked her about her opinion about “short guys”. She was very sweet about it, but she said that most women are naturally attracted to taller men. She admitted to me that she would much rather be with a tall man than a shorter man. Since then I have spoken to many women about the height issue, and almost all of them agree that tall men are just more desirable. Even other men have more respect for taller men. There are many articles on this subject, so I’ll spare you the details, but I know this to be true. I certainly don’t blame women for preferring taller men. I realize that it is a programmed preference, and it is very difficult to overcome such strong programming by evolution and society.
    I am tolerant of most people, but I have a huge problem with people who make fun of others for their physical traits. I had a boss at my last job who constantly made fun of me for my height. He was 6’3″, and he made sure I never forgot that. He called me “Danny DeVito” and said I was going to be alone for the rest of my life. He was a very, very hateful and hurtful person.
    As the years went by, the issue of my height started to bother me. I tried to stay confident and not let it get to me, but whenever somebody brought up the subject of my height, it really started to hurt.
    I am 32 years old now, and I haven’t dated for five years. I am athletic, and I’m not a bad looking guy, but rejection hurts so bad that I just can’t deal with it anymore.
    I have chosen to pursue my career and physical fitness instead of having a family. I drive a beautiful new Cadillac CTS, I have a large home, and I am a marathon runner. If it wasn’t for my short stature, I may have never sworn off dating… and I wouldn’t have devoted myself to my business and money. Unfortunately, no matter how much money I make, I still have a huge void in my life. I’m alone, and I’m not happy.
    Maybe someday I’ll find the courage to start dating again, but there’s no way to undo the damage that has been done by insensitive, hurtful people.
    Anyone who says that short guys aren’t treated differently is an incredibly ignorant person. My height never bothered me… until other people made it into an issue.

    The only thing I ask from people is that they respect me as a person, and realize that making fun of someone for something they cannot change is very hurtful.

    • Peg on August 26, 2012 at 2:24 am
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    Thanks for your story, Justin. I’m not sure I agree with your friend that “most women are naturally attracted to taller men”. Naturally? I think you’re the one who’s right: it’s programmed. And unlike you, I DO blame women, and men, for not rising above their programming. Because, I totally get what you say — “there’s no way to undo the damage that has been done by insensitive, hurtful people”. That’s exactly why I DO blame people for being so stupid, insensitive, and hurtful. And I’d much rather see men like you ‘call’ shallow women on their preferences than get lengthening surgery. That said, isn’t the average height of women in N.A. 5’4″?

    • Justin on August 27, 2012 at 10:27 pm
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    Hi Peg, thanks for your reply! I have heard that the average height of women in the U.S. is somewhere between 5’4″ and 5’6″. I live in Columbia, Missouri (a college town of about 120,000 people) and there are some really tall girls in this town. I don’t think it’s just my imagination… it’s just strange, lol. As far as judging others by height and appearance… yep, it’s definitely a programmed behavior. It’s in the media: movies, television, music, pop culture, sports, etc… It really is very sad that so many people initially judge others primarily by their outward appearance. That being said, there are still many wonderful people like yourself who look beyond cultural bios and get to know people for their character traits such as intelligence, morals, dreams, desires, and so on. Unfortunately, it seems very difficult to find those people. I also realize that young women (and older women) in the U.S. are judged by equally harsh superficial cultural standards, and it breaks my heart. There is so much peer pressure for young girls to look like the cover of “Teen” magazine, that they think if they don’t measure up to Hollywood’s standards for physical appearance they’re not pretty enough to find a boyfriend. It’s very sad.
    I dated a girl for a while who was very self conscious about her breast size. It bothered her so much that she started saving money to have an augmentation performed. I told her that it was completely up to her whether or not she had the surgery done, but I loved her exactly the way she was… and she was beautiful to me.
    At one point in my life, I actually considered leg-lengthening surgery, but the longer I thought about it the less I liked the idea. I want to be with someone who loves me for exactly who I am. I don’t expect others to change their appearance for me, so I’m not going to change my appearance for someone to accept me.
    By reading the previous posts by other people, it’s easy to tell that this is a very sensitive topic for many people. I’m really glad that there is a forum for us to talk about it so we can share our experiences and ideas. It’s a very good way to encourage others and find encouragement for ourselves! Thank you for your posts!

    • perrito on August 12, 2013 at 3:10 pm
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    This is what short men must deal with, especially in the dating world. To claim that short women have anywhere near the same problem is ridiculous.

    “Men under 5’8 god don’t love you”

    “I still think short guys should get arrested” It goes on and on like that, but you get the idea.

    “Short guys should just disappear. Ya’ll are of no use to us”

    “Short Guys Make Me Angry, Why The F**k Haven’t You Grown Yet!!”

    “All men should be tall, who would really want a short man”

    “Sorry but I don’t consider short guys real guys”

    “guys under 6 feet disturb me” (btw, over 85% of the US adult male population is under 6′)

    “Anything below 5ft 10 is unacceptable! short men should be sent to live on a remote island so we can prevent further breeding”

    “Short guys should not exist”

    “Why do guys under 5’10 even exist?”

    “Short guys make me laugh , like you’re not a man if you’re under 6’ft”

    “Short men have no purpose in life”

    “Short men are a plague on the world”

    “Short men who think highly of themselves is the most annoying thing”

    “Officially decided no short men in my wedding”

    • perrito on August 12, 2013 at 3:12 pm
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    Last bit of my post was cut off. Here’s the link.

    What I posted was only a small bit. It goes on and on like that,

  4. you’re in the ‘wrong’ dating world. if a woman judges you by your height, she’s an airhead. run the other way. unless you’re looking for an airhead. or are one yourself.

    • Anonymous on February 13, 2014 at 8:10 pm
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    women HATE short men. i have noticed this my whole life. they don’t just dislike them, they are openly disgusted and repulsed by them. women will date fat men, blind men, and even disabled men before they date a short man. and NOTHING can compensate for being short, not even money. if you’re a man under 5’6, you will never, ever, EVER get laid. period. you may as well just accept that you will be alone forever or kill yourself now to save yourself the pain.

    • Anonymous on February 13, 2014 at 9:53 pm
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    Anonymous, why do you think that is?

    • Roy on March 9, 2014 at 9:06 pm
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    “I stand by my suggestion that being shorter than most men is as problematic for women as it is for short men”

    You can stand by it but it’s wrong, women look down on short men in more ways than one – especially as potential dates – you can call these women idiots but they are the vast majority and we have to live in the world the way it IS, not the way you think it should be.

    • Peg on March 10, 2014 at 1:39 am
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    Roy, I should’ve been clearer. I maintain that in our society, in which respect and authority is accorded by height, height is more problematic for women than it is for men. And that is because on average women are shorter than men. So the average woman is shorter than most men and half of the women; hence, she will be accorded less respect/authority by about 75% of the people she meets. The average man, however, is shorter than only half of the men; hence, he will be accorded less respect/authority by only 25% of the people he meets. So height is more of a problem for more women.

    However, in the narrow context of dating in Canada, the U.S., and possibly several or most European countries, which seems to be your focus, the relatively short man will be at a disadvantage only if he is shorter than about 5’4″ (the average height of women).

    And I reiterate it’s a problem only if you’re wanting to be ‘looked up to’ metaphorically speaking — by idiot women who do that according to whether or not they can do so physically speaking.

    I was recently in the company of a man who mentioned several times his being on the small side; to be honest, his height didn’t even register consciously until the third time he’d said it. And then, I realized that I’d actually liked being able to look him in the eye instead of having to ‘look up to’ him (when I have to do that physically to a person, man or woman, I have to keep ‘fighting’ not to do that in other respects); it made it that much easier to see him as an equal and not some ‘overlord’ I constantly had to one, prove myself against and two, prove him unworthy of that rank.

    • Dane on September 11, 2014 at 1:12 am
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    Peg, while I do agree that short women have it worse than short men in the business world, short men have it MUCH worse than anyone else in the dating world. I am 5’7″ (5’8″ in shoes), single, and have a been able to build a great, toned physique. I’m young, very successful for my age, and have a great job. Unfortunately, generally women still don’t want me. It seems that even though I am 3-4 inches taller than most women, they STILL typically consider me too short and are not afraid to say it to my face! Wow! I have heard the line “Sorry I usually only date guys that are a bit taller than you” more times than I can even remember. It’s absolutely demoralizing to know that most women would rather date an unsuccessful, low-life, non-physically fit guy that is 6 feet tall than a great 5’7″ guy like me. It blows my mind.

    Fortunately, my dating life hasn’t been a complete failure. I have had a few decently attractive girlfriends, but I just have to fight much harder to get them than any guy that is 5’10” and above.

    I feel HORRIBLE for any guy that is 5’5″ and below. If I am having this many problems at 5’7″, I can’t imagine how bad it must be when you’re the height of the average woman.

    From my observations, male height (barefoot) vs dating discrimination goes something like this:

    -6’0″ or above: Most people don’t realize how tall 6’0″ actually is. Most of those guys that you see that you think are 6ft tall are actually 5’10”-5’11”. If you’re a true 6 footer, even the most attractive women will drool over your height.
    -5’10”-5’11”: Tall enough for 75% of women. Many women will love your height, but some would prefer you to be just a bit taller. At this height, you absolutely have nothing to complain about. You will have access to many women.
    -5’8″-5’9″: This is where you begin to see some minor problems. Only tall enough for ~50% of women. Still, 50% of women is a HUGE dating pool. Women will not drool over your height, but you can still manage to pass the height test for a decent portion of attractive women.
    -5’6″-5’7″: Significant problems. Only tall enough for about 25% of women. 95% of attractive (i.e. non-fat with good hygiene and decent looks) women will not date you because of all the attention they receive from the tall guys. This is not a good place to be, but there is a small glimmer of hope. The only good thing about being this height is that you are still taller than most women, so while they might not be attracted to you, they will respect you to some extent.
    -5’5″ and below: A guy this short has almost zero chance of finding an attractive woman to date. Most likely, he will have to settle. Even worse, whoever he settles with will be “settling” for a short guy as well. At this height, women (and men) consistently make jokes about your manhood, which can be emotional torture for a guy in the long run. Being this short is the worst thing that can happen to a man (other than some horrible defect or life-altering chronic disease).

    I have had this discussion with women before, and they all say the same thing. Usually they feel more protected with a taller man and believe that it increases their femininity. Total bogus, but thats what they say. I’ve even had a girl that was 5’11” and about 160 pounds tell me that she feels like she is stronger than men that are shorter than her and that other women feel this way too. Can women really be this dumb? I weigh about the same as her, but would absolutely destroy her (and any other woman) in any sort of physical altercation. Men are MUCH stronger pound for pound than women, so that logic is just ridiculous. They basically will say anything to justify their disdain of short men, when in reality there is no justification. Short man inferiority is a false stereotype that this country has poisoned us with.

    It’s unfortunate that height matters so much in American society. American Women have been poisoned by the media and have become the most shallow, attitude-filled, entitled women on the planet. My suggestion for all short guys is to move to any non-westernized country. You will find that the women are much more accepting of any height, and much more kind in general. If you are a short guy, avoid American, British, and Australian women at all costs.

    • Peg on September 11, 2014 at 2:40 am
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    Up to your second last paragraph, you’re missing the point. The desire for the man to be taller than the woman is rooted in our sexist patriarchy. What the fuck does height have to do with anything that’s important?

    (Why do you want women who advocate what you yourself think is bogus, women who are really that dumb?)

    (Dunno about that MUCH stronger pound for pound; a lot of that weight is NOT muscle.)

    • Dane on September 11, 2014 at 4:34 am
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    Height has nothing to do with anything that is important. It really doesn’t. Personally, I prefer a woman to be around my height. I would love to date a woman that is between 5’5″-5’8″ so that we would be eye to eye, but that just isn’t going to happen easily in this country. My dating pool in America is limited to women 5’2″ and below (BECAUSE I STILL HAVE TO BE THREE INCHES TALLER WHEN THEY ARE IN HEELS!….*SIGH*). Even if they are 5’2″ and below, they often still consider me to be short…just blatant stupidity.

    I have said to hell with American women. I spent six months in Europe (before I knew how shallow American women were compared to other women) and was SHOCKED that women did not seemed to be turned off as much by my height and were much more interested in getting to know me as a person rather than putting up an anti short-guy bitch shield. I’m currently saving money for a while to move there semi-permanently.

    And yes, as far as physicality goes, men dominate women pound per pound. Men naturally have a body composition with more muscle and less fat than a woman, pound per pound. On top of that, they are much faster and more coordinated than women as well. A 150 lb, 5’10’ woman (even if she lifts weights) stands no chance against the average 150 lb short man. It’s just a fact that women who claim to want to feel “feminine and protected” have no comprehension of. Which brings me to the point that yes, even short guys can protect women as well. Short muscular guys will beat skinny or average tall guys in a fight 90% of the time, all other things being equal. Now, tall MUSCULAR guy vs short muscular guy? Well, in that case tall guy will usually have the weight advantage.

    • Peg on September 11, 2014 at 3:29 pm
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    I don’t think it’s just American women though. I think American men are just as brainwashed into the gender binary and all the polarized values that come with it.

    As for your last paragraph, I wonder if you’re comparing fit men with unfit women.

    • Dane on September 11, 2014 at 10:41 pm
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    Just from my experiences (six months in Romania, with trips to Greece, England, Germany, France, and Russia. Also a separate two month trip to Asia.): Yes, women in other countries DO care about height, however, for them it is NOT the deciding factor. To non-western foreign women, height is attractive, but they will gladly date a short guy if he has other good attributes. A short man can walk up to a foreign woman and she will gladly talk to him and give him a chance most of the time. American women act as if it is a felony if a short man is interested in them. The majority of American women that will accept a short man are simply desperate and unattractive. Even then, they HATE that he is short, but they don’t think they can get a tall guy.

    From my last post: No, I’m talking any man vs any woman. The fittest of women (that don’t use male hormone-based steroids) will have a very hard time taking down even the most unfit of men. Any man that is anything other than totally unfit will easily take down any woman, no matter how strong she thinks she is. That’s really irrelevant to this conversation though and the point is that the complete disrespect that women inherently show short men (for not being a “real man”) is completely unjustifiable based on this fact.

    • Peg on September 11, 2014 at 11:11 pm
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    Well, no, the point (my point, of my post) is that men who insist on the necessity of being taller (via surgery or dating only women shorter than him) are accepting, endorsing, perpetuating sexism and patriarchy.

    My secondary point, apparently missed even more often, is that the height thing (according greater respect to those who are taller) advantages not only taller men over shorter men, but most men over most women.

    • Dane on September 12, 2014 at 1:51 am
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    Men who insist on being taller than the woman do show height discrimination, I agree. Fortunately for women, not all men insist on being taller and those that do only want to be at least an inch or two taller. So the problem for women is not nearly as bad and non-fat women below 6 ft tall get hit on all the time. The result is that 99% of women who take care of themselves (i.e Don’t get fat like unhealthy pigs) have plenty of options to choose from.

    Now compare that to the height discrimination by women: 90%+ of women have an absolute requirement that the man be taller and the majority of those women want him to be AT LEAST 8 INCHES taller. I have NEVER met a man that required his women to be nearly a foot shorter. Not once. This leaves guys that are 5’7″-5’8″ with very few dating options (unless they have MANY other attractive qualities) and guys 5’6″ and below with literally no good dating options. They get nothing but scraps. I am a living example of this. I thank my god every single day that I was born with an athletic body type, intelligence, and a moderately attractive face. I work very hard in the gym to maintain my physique as well and have a pretty good personality. Even with all of these qualities, my height (5’7″) still puts a huge damper on my dating options. It truly sucks to put in so much effort and still get below average results with women while tall guys don’t even have to try. But I guess it is what it is.

    The dating market in America is truly screwed up and completely in favor of the women. If a woman wants to be attractive for men, all she has to do is be slender and there will be plenty of men that want her. She has a CHOICE. Either she decides that she likes food more than men and gets fat. Or she decides that she likes men more than food and stays slim and gets attention. A man does not have a choice. He is either born tall and has women drooling over him, or he is born short and will have to work incredibly hard to have any chance of attracting any woman. It’s unfortunate, and it is a problem caused by American women’s complete obsession with height.

    Compare this to other countries. In other countries, the women are not nearly as fat as in America, so even the slim women must compete to get male attention. Thus the attractive women are much more friendly and open to any man because the competition for men is so much more fierce. It’s an even playing field for both the men and women in many other countries. In America, the attractive women have their pick of the litter and ALWAYS choose the tall guy, even if he is a fat pig. Just a horrible problem for short men because they are left with nothing but fat women.

    As far as the business world goes, yes men do have an advantage over women, as it should be. At some point women must accept that it is a man’s role to be the provider for the family, and it is the woman’s role to be the nurturer for the children. I don’t necessarily have a problem with women in executive positions, but I think that it is sad that women in America take more pride in their career than raising their own children and nurturing their husband, the man that does everything he can to provide for them. Call me traditional, but I believe in gender roles. We are born MEN or WOMEN for a reason. Take pride in your femininity.

    Outside of the job world, women have every advantage over men in America, so no woman has any right to complain about the one advantage that men have over women.

    • Peg on September 12, 2014 at 3:47 am
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    “As far as the business world goes, yes men do have an advantage over women, as it should be.” As it SHOULD be? On what basis??

    “At some point women must accept that it is a man’s role to be the provider for the family, and it is the woman’s role to be the nurturer for the children.” Says who? Again, on what basis do you make these claims?

    I call you a lot worse than “traditional”. “Believe in gender roles” – what exactly does that mean? Believe they’re necessary? Believe they’re good? Believe they’re biologically determined?

    “We are born MEN or WOMEN for a reason.” Says who?

    Take a course or read a book on sexism, patriarchy, gender roles, then come back.

    “Outside of the job world, women have every advantage over men in America…” Right. That’s why we’re raped so often. That’s why the booming porn industry sexualizes the degradation and humiliation of women.

    • Dane on September 12, 2014 at 2:03 pm
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    You’re obviously a brainwashed woman with feminist beliefs, so it is pointless to argue with you. Feminism is the reason the problem we have been discussing even exists. But I will say this: Women in in America have it better than women in any other country in the world, and they have it much better than men in this country. Sure, men get better jobs. But that is it. And you aren’t “raped so often”.

    Look up any article about how nice you American ladies have it and come back. I surely am not going to write it down because it has been discussed many times.

    Yes, gender roles are biologically determined. Unfortunately, the feminist movement has brainwashed women into wanting to be men. Go to any non-feminist country and the women are PROUD to be delicate and feminine and nurture their families. Sure some of them have good jobs too, but family comes first. Women in America associate that with being a “weak” woman. American women just want jobs and power and don’t give a **** about their children or their family compared to their career. American women think being “strong, bossy, and independant” is some sort of attractive trait. The only men that agree with that assessment are the ones that have never been with a foreign woman.

    Thankfully I will be out of this country in the next few years and will never have to deal with height, money, and career obsessed feminazi women again.

    • Peg on September 12, 2014 at 3:46 pm
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    I have feminist opinions, yes. Well-supported. So not brainwashed. Read Dale Spender and John Stoltenberg for starters.

    Feminism is not the reason men want to be taller than women (the problem we’ve been discussing); sexism is.

    Yes, in very many ways women in America have it better than women in any other country (except for the Scandinavian countries); though there are proportionately fewer Women in American government than even in Rwanda and South Africa

    Do you really deny that women are raped far more often than men? 1 in 4 compared to 1 in 10.

    Explain how biology determines that women should cook the food and men should repair things? Explain how biology determines that women should be pediatrician assistants and men should be pediatricians?

    I do not want to be a man. God no. I do most definitely not want my genitalia outside nor do I want that much testosterone coursing through my body.

    Have you considered the possibility that it is those PROUD women you describe who have been brainwashed? After all, many of them have even been denied an education beyond elementary school.

    I don’t think that women in American consider nurturing children to be weak; they just everyone, men and women alike, to be able to choose what they dedicate their lives to.

  5. You know what’s interesting. (Well no, it’s not really interesting, it’s boring. Because it happens so often.) You’re here on my site. You see that I’ve written several textbooks that are used in universities and colleges. You see that I’ve published a few articles in philosophy journals. You see that I have three degrees. And yet you immediately jump to ‘You’re brainwashed, there’s no point in arguing with you, I surely know better that you.’ What arrogance. That alone disproves your point. (By proving that we do indeed live in a patriarchy, in a sexist world in which males feel such privilege…)

    • Dane on October 11, 2014 at 4:10 am
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    I’ll try to keep this more civil.

    You have published articles and have an education. Good for you. I’ve earned a Master’s Degree in Engineering from Stanford. Big whoop. Your degrees mean nothing to me. Feminism has ruined American women. They are a lost cause, and thousands of men are traveling overseas to find feminine women.

    I find it funny that you keep bringing up rape. Do you really believe that 1/4 women get raped? You have to be off your rocker to believe those stats. I know about 50 women. None of them have ever been raped. Perhaps in areas of high crime that is true, but not outside of those boundaries. If RAPE is the biggest problem for women in this country, then you have proved my point. I would love to be in a country where the only thing I had to worry about in life was the slight (<2%) possibility of rape.

    Women are not held accountable for anything in this country and are put on a pedestal. Attractive woman has a one night stand while drunk? She can claim rape and ruin the man's reputation. The courts are on her side. Unattractive man tries to talk to a woman at work? She can slander him for being "creepy" and claim sexual harassment. Divorce? Woman wins every time. The list goes on and on and on. Women can get away with any and complain about anything and people will agree with them. As soon as a man complains about anything, he is told to shut up and "be a man". This is the American state of mind.

    Women now have great job opportunities and can get any job that a man can get (other than business executive/politician type jobs), and yet you feminists still want more. It's pathetic.

    Back to the height thing:

    Women in America can wear makeup/high heels, get breast implants, and do many other things to enhance their appearance. Without doing all of these things to enhance their appearance, they feel insecure and don't feel retty. In addition, I hear women ALL THE TIME say that they want to feel safe with a tall man and that it makes her look so cute standing next to the tall guy. Do you know what this screams? INSECURITY.

    Let's consider the flipside: If a man does ANYTHING that even gives the slightest hint that he might be insecure (like wear elevator shoes), he is seen as an insecure, unattractive loser. Men in America must literally be perfect in every way in the eyes of a woman for him to be attractive to her.

    You might not believe it, but this is a result of feminism. Women can have ultra high dating standards and prance around like a little princess in this country and get away with it and be accountable for absolutely nothing. They have been given the key to the city and social rules protect them from any sort of criticism. Men are held accountable for everything and told not to complain (because that is "insecure and unattractive").

    This is what short men have to deal with every day of their lives:

    -Less respect by fellow men
    -People don't listen to you when you speak unless you exude an extreme amount of self-confidence
    -If you are self-confident, you are just overcompensating for your lack of height
    -Women do not think of you as a real man.
    -The women that are attracted to you will leave you in a heartbeat for a taller guy (this has happened to me)
    -Constant rejection
    -Fewer job opportunities than tall men (I have been fortunate to avoid this problem, luckily)
    -If you complain about any of this, you are thought of as an insecure loser

    The worst part is that we can do NOTHING about it. I can't just grow another 5 inches. I am a self-confident man, but I refuse to live in a country where I have a significant disadvantage in every aspect of my life due to height. That is why I will be moving to a country with a lower average height.

    I look forward to leaving this horrible country soon. I have experienced how amazing foreign women are and there is no going back now. What's even better is that they typically do not care nearly as much about height. I can't wait! 🙂

    "Have you considered the possibility that it is those PROUD women you describe who have been brainwashed? After all, many of them have even been denied an education beyond elementary school."

    False. Not sure where you are getting this idea. Women in Europe/Asia have plenty of education opportunities, but still maintain their femininity. They typically just want a good, loving man that can help provide for the family. This keeps them happy. Meanwhile, they keep him happy by staying slim and supporting him. They put a higher emphasis on raising the children rather than obsess over their career like American women. That being said, many of them still have good jobs.

    American women do not care about their man. They only care about the high social status they will obtain by having a tall husband with a great job. After they get that, they leach off of him and disregard his needs. When they get tired of him, they divorce him and take half of his earnings and all of their own earnings.

    • Peg on October 13, 2014 at 5:35 am
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    Why don’t my degrees mean anything to you?

    re your para re rape: investigate Research Methodology 101 to find out why your anecdotal experience doesn’t trump the studies. (Plus, don’t you think most women would be reluctant to tell a man, especially one they’re not close to, that they’ve been raped?)

    re your next para:

    “Men in America must literally be perfect in every way in the eyes of a woman for him to be attractive to her.” I think a lot of women feel the same way. That’s why they get the implants, wear make-up, etc. etc. And you’re right. Insecure. But what’s your point?

    I hold women accountable. I can’t stand the princesses. They are an embarrassment to the rest of us.

    This is what women have to deal with every day of their lives:

    -Less respect by all men (except for their body)
    -People don’t listen to you when you speak unless you exude an extreme amount of self-confidence
    -If you are self-confident, you are just overcompensating for your sex
    -Men do not think of you as a person.
    -Constant dismissal, mockery, insult (“you throw like a girl” – what we ARE is an insult)
    -Fewer job opportunities than men
    -If you complain about any of this, you are thought of as a feminazi

    You criticize the very feminine ‘I want a strong, tall man to protect me’ and yet you’re going to another country to find a woman who has maintained her femininity. Don’t you see the contradiction there?

    You criticize women who aren’t happy with your body (you’re too short) and yet you expect a woman to keep you happy “by staying slim”. Don’t you see the hypocrisy there?

    Yeah, I think the divorce rules are awful. What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is yours. Why I never married. And I could never be a kept woman; I figure I should pay my own way through life. Guess I’m not feminine.

    • Dane on October 31, 2014 at 4:52 am
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    “You criticize the very feminine ‘I want a strong, tall man to protect me’ and yet you’re going to another country to find a woman who has maintained her femininity. Don’t you see the contradiction there?”

    No, I do not see the contradiction. There is a huge difference. Ability to protect has very little correlation to height. A man’s power (strength x speed) is the most important attribute in a physical altercation, all other things being equal. Shorter guys are naturally faster/quicker than tall guys, while tall guys naturally have a bit more muscle mass. Ever wonder why some of the best fighters ever (Mike Tyson, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris) are average height? It is because the have significant muscle mass but STILL have the speed and quickness of a short guy. Most women are too stupid to realize that short men can be VERY capable of knocking the snot out of tall guys. A quick, muscular short guy is a pit bull that most tall guys will not want fight.

    I have just justified why being short literally means NOTHING as far as ability to protect or do anything else. The thought of “only a tall,strong man can protect me and make me feel feminine” is NOT feminine…it’s stupid. That’s what it is.

    If a girl just simply isn’t physically attracted to short guys, then okay, I can buy that. But if she tried to provide ANY type of stupid justification (“short guys can’t protect me”, “short guys don’t make me feel feminine”, “I don’t look good next to a short guy”)…then she is just ignorant. THAT is the problem. The reason that so many short guys complain about this is that a huge portion of women have been brainwashed to believe all of these misconceptions about short guys. This leaves us with extremely limited dating options. The best option is to head to another country where women aren’t so ignorant.

    You criticize women who aren’t happy with your body (you’re too short) and yet you expect a woman to keep you happy “by staying slim”. Don’t you see the hypocrisy there?

    Is this a joke? Being short is healthy and natural (just like being tall or average height). Being fat is unhealthy and greatly reduces your physical capabilities. Being fat causes MANY health related issues as well. There are many legitimate reasons to not be attracted to fat people. The ONLY legitimate reason to not be attracted to short guys is that is just isn’t physically attractive. The issue is that many woman have completely illegitimate reasons for not being attracted to short men.

    • Peg on October 31, 2014 at 2:34 pm
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    I agree with your claim that short guys can fight (though I’d emphasize the ‘all other htings being equal’ – weaponry). I agree that the women you’re talking about are irrational. The point I was making was that your were criticizing their ‘buying into’ their gender conditioning (they don’t want a tall dark handsome man b/c it’s rational; they want that b/c that’s what they’ve been conditioned to want and they haven’t examined their conditioning…), and yet you yourself seem to have bought YOUR gender conditioning (to want a feminine woman, someone who wants someone to protect her, someone who wants to build her life around husband and kids). That’s the contradiction I was talking about. Similarly with the short/fat point; you’re missing the role of GENDER CONDITIONING. Which was rather the point of the post in the first place.

    You want to be someone’s Prince Charming, you’d better expect a Princess.

    • Peg on October 31, 2014 at 2:50 pm
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    You claim “gender roles are biologically determined”. Please give me citations to the research that supports this. I have no ‘delicacy’ chromosome; I have no ‘family before job’ biochemistry. Etc. I think for any further discussion between us to be fruitful, we should sort that out. Gender is not the same as sex. We are born male and female, but we are conditioned big-time from the moment we’re born to be masculine and feminine. What books have you read about this? (About gender and sex.) Because I’m not going to spend my time educating you on these issues.

    • 2Short on November 1, 2014 at 8:49 pm
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    My name is Bob and i am nineteen and i hate my height because ny age and my height are way off. My height has been a nightnare for me and especially now since i am older and dating sucks for me. This story happened to me last year. My parents asked me if i could help a couple that had a 12yo daughter to watch her for them because they were going to be gone overnight and it be easy with good pay. So i said ok and for me to be there before 3:00pm when their daughter get dropped off at home by the scgool bus. So i got there at 2:30 and both parents were tall the mother giggled when she saw me i guess because i stand 4′ 4″ tall and she stood around 6’0″ tall anyway she showed me around and the spare bedroom where i would sleep and they took off and i went into the. livingroom and turned on the tv at about 3:15pm i heard someone enter the house through the kitchen and a girls voice yelled i’m home i yelked back i was in the livingroom. She came into room and i see a girl that is supposed to be 12yo but she is like her mother meaning like around 6’0″ tall she then sits next to me and looks me up and down and says wow your feet don’t reach the ground and i never seen anyone sit on the couch and their feet not reach the floor mine do see. i said yea well i am short she said oh then she said would you mind standing up i said whatever and i stood up and faced her she wow and she stood up and said cool how old are you i said 18 then she said how tall are you i said i stand 4’4″ tall she started laughing and said well i am 12yo and i stand 6’0″ tall and she took her hand and put it on top of my head and said OMG top of your head stops at my bellybutton and your here to watch me? She said maybe i have to watch you. huh then she said how much do you weigh i said don’t worry about my weight she then bent down and put her arms around me and stood back up holding me and she saidcyour lite you don”t weigh anything then she said this is cool i never picked up a boy that was five years older then me and was so small like you are your like holding. a Baby and you can’t do anything to stop me either huh. i was so embarrased.

    • Peg on November 2, 2014 at 8:55 pm
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    Bob, I hope you don’t get the leg-lengthening surgery. Instead, I hope you try to find a woman who’s not so superficial and shallow as to think that height matters AND who’s strong enough to stand against the grain, who’s okay with a partner who’s shorter than her. (Be forewarned, though, if she’s strong enough to go against the gender-shit that ‘My boyfriend/husband should be taller than me’, she’s probably also going against other gender-shit grain like ‘I should totally devote myself to my kids and husband, period.’)

    • Skusgep on January 2, 2015 at 10:43 pm
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    Peg, I think you’re mistaken when you claim women are brainwashed by the patriarchy to prefer taller men. While you are right that the media certainly doesn’t help matters, the fact that women desire men who are taller is ingrained in their evolutionary history.

    Taller men would generally be better at climbing, hunting, and spotting danger. It is also an indicator of better nutrition and genes. Women desire these things on a subconscious level.

    Which sucks, because those things aren’t significant in the slightest in society today.

    • ptittle on January 4, 2015 at 12:42 pm
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    Yeah, I think people overestimate the influence of ‘evolutionary history’. If I were a slave to the evolutionary process, I would want to reproduce as much as possible. I don’t.

    But let’s grant your hypothesis for a moment. WHY would evolution select a preference for tall men? I can see intelligent men – they’re the ones able to design the spear that kills the mastodon. I can see upper body strength – they’re the ones able to throw the spear far enough. I can see men with great hand-eye coordination. They’re the ones who’ll actually HIT the mastodon. And I can see speed. They’re the ones able to run the fuck the other way when the pissed off mastodon charges. But height? Height does NOT advantage climbing, hunting, and spotting danger. In fact, I think the more compact body is a better climber. Hunting, I’ve already mentioned. And spotting danger requires good sensory perception.

    • Joe on June 10, 2015 at 7:47 pm
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    I’m short (5’6) and, of course, it’s an issue. I do believe that it has had an impact on my dating life and work life (but especially my dating life). I do attract women, but most move on when I’m not absolutely perfect in every other way. Women tend to give taller men more chances. And, as all short men know, online dating is not an option at all.

    There is one important benefit to being short though: you can easily con people. It’s very easy to get on people’s sympathies. Because I’m short, people naturally look at me as being pathetic and I exploit this. I have gotten A LOT because of this. Oftentimes, I’ve actually had to put less effort in that my taller peers. When they beat me, I just elicit sympathy.

    Also, many women see me as an easy mark. Single mothers, especially, try to rope me into their family to be their kids’ new daddy. I think they see me as a sucker and I exploit this (and I’ve slept with some attractive single moms).

    So, while I’ll never be in charge of anything important in society due to my height, I have an advantage in that I could be a lot sneakier than the average tall guy and get away with it.

  6. My guess is that at least some of the women ‘move on’ not because you’re short, but because you con and exploit (lie and manipulate) people.

    And because you don’t want to take responsibility for your actions (you like to ‘get away with it’).

    • Patrick on December 5, 2015 at 3:43 pm
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    Peg, you made a list of what women deal with in their daily lives, and it is exactly what short men deal with.

    • ptittle on December 5, 2015 at 4:19 pm
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    Exactly. In other words, what short men have to deal with is what women have to deal with every day all their lives. (You’d think short men would be more sensitive to sexism then, to the daily subordination fo women, instead of getting surgery to maintain the sexism.)

    • Patrick on December 7, 2015 at 3:03 pm
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    Peg, I don’t see the point to the leg surgery myself, I don’t understand why you think it is sexism.
    My point was that I didn’t understand why women were not more sensitive to what short men deal with.

    • ptittle on December 7, 2015 at 4:43 pm
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    Oh, the sexism is in the view that being a man is related to being taller than women. Such a size dichotomy re/inforces the gender dichotomy upon which sexism relies. As in, in order to be dominant over women, you have to be taller/bigger than women…

    • Patrick on December 14, 2015 at 2:54 pm
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    My point was simply that much of the discrimination a woman feels she gets from society is the same as what a short man gets.

    • zaph on February 15, 2016 at 6:59 pm
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    Sigh, peg you just don’t get it, how could you? You have no idea what it is like for a man. Women are comicslly, ridiculously shallow when it comes to height. Most women will dismiss me with a glance. I have had a 5′ tall women tell men that you won’t date anyone under 6′ 3″ and another women at a party give me a lengthy lecture about how she could never date a man as short as me. When I could see clean over the top of her, when she was wearing 3 inch heels.

    What would a feminist say if a man decided not just to a reject a women, but give a lengthy lecture about some supposed physical flaw?

    Height simply doesn’t matter for women, in the dating or business world. I know why you are so defensive about this. If patriarchy exists, women are a part of it just as much as men. Women need to change just as much as men.

    Feminist have demanded that men accept fat women and older women, if a short guy asks for the same thing, he gets called names. That is why I have zero respect for feminist, it isn’t about making an equal society, but getting goodies for women.

    • Peg on February 15, 2016 at 7:36 pm
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    I do get it. I have a brain. I do get what it’s like. I’m just advocating that you reject the gender stereotypes instead of getting surgery to reinforce them. Same thing I’d say to the bimbos who get bigger boobs etc etc etc etc. I agree those women are shallow. Few women are truly feminist these days.

    ‘What would a feminist say…?’ I’ve had that happen. And I walk away. Perhaps after telling him to shut the fuck up. Or after giving him a lecture about some physical flaw. What’s your point?

    Height matters a bit for women, but a dozen other physical attributes matter a lot more.

    ‘If patriarchy exists…’ If? No question. And yes, women often reinforce it. Yes, women need to change. But often they’re acting from a point of relative powerlessness. It’s like asking the black person to change to get rid of racism; the burden is on the white person, b/c they’re the ones with the power over. (Not individually, maybe, but systemically.)

    I think you’re misplacing your ‘zero respect’. The women you describe are not feminist. (Nor is Beyonce, despite what she says. Read some of the REAL feminists…)

    • Patr on March 2, 2016 at 5:28 pm
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    Peg, you make an interesting comment about women reinforcing a patriarchy, but I have to ask: How would a shorter man have any power in such a patriarchy?

    • Peg on March 2, 2016 at 5:33 pm
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    In a patriarchy, it’s not just TALL men who are superordinate, it’s MEN IN GENERAL. A short man trumps a short/’normal’ height/tall woman. Period. Just like a white short man trumps a tall black man, usually, since at least in U.S./Canada, we’re a white-dominant culture, just as we’re a male-dominant culture.

    • Patr on March 3, 2016 at 2:09 pm
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    Peg, you see everything as an either/or proposition. A short white does not trump a tall black man, this is because the short white man is not perceived as intimidating. Even if it is a male -dominated culture, many of the “worst” men are chosen by women for mates; your “men in general” theory does not work as short men literally can’t participate in the patriarchy you allude to.

    • Peg on March 3, 2016 at 3:32 pm
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    You don’t understand what a patriarchy is. Read a couple books on sexism in our society, then come back to the discussion.

    • Patr on March 4, 2016 at 2:03 pm
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    Peg, the discussion isn’t patriarchy, it is short men. My point is that much of what women blame on the patriarchy, is what short men deal with on a daily basis. My point still stands.

    • Peg on March 4, 2016 at 8:01 pm
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    Excuse me? I wrote the original blog post; I think I know what the discussion is about. (Or should be about; you apparently either didn’t read the post or didn’t understand it.)

    I disagree with “much”. For starters, do short men get assaulted every nine seconds? Do they get paid less than half the species?

    • Peg on March 4, 2016 at 8:45 pm
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    Furthermore, yes, short men experience some of what women experience due to the patriarchy. So what? You’d think they’d be supportive of feminism then, not trying to reinforce sexism.

    • Patr on March 5, 2016 at 2:54 pm
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    I don’t see why shorter men would support feminism, considering the attitude of many women toward short men. Your comment about women being assaulted makes my point; short men are assaulted and you gloss over that only because they are not women. Most studies about the wage gap have been debunked.

    • Peg on March 5, 2016 at 9:03 pm
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    “Feminism” does not equal “the attitude of many women”. I said that above, Feb 15. Before you comment on a blog, you should read all the previous comments. That’s the polite, respectful way to join a conversation.

    I didn’t gloss over short men being assaulted; it’s the relative frequency that makes my point.
    Are you seriously trying to equate the discrimination experienced by short men to that experienced by women? Short men were allowed to vote long before women were. Short men were allowed to go to university long before women were. Short men aren’t called “boys” as a matter of custom. There is no multi-billion dollar industry involving the humiliation and degradation of short men for the pleasure and entertainment of tall men.

    • Patr on March 6, 2016 at 12:18 pm
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    Fair enough about previous comments, and I would point out my previous comment that short men experience plenty of discrimination. There is no point in comparing short men and female alienation, as neither compare to the horrors of black slavery or the holocaust.
    Where I disagree with you is your attitude that short men have it easy and can be compared to tall men; tall men often alienate shorter men. I understand you are frustrated at what you see as the situation women are in, however, the rejection and belittling of short men by women makes it hard for those men to sympathize with feminism.

    • Peg on March 6, 2016 at 12:47 pm
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    I never said short men have it easy. I never denied that tall men alienate short men. I never denied that women scorn short men. I’m not belittling short men. I’m belittling men who endorse and reinforce sexism by getting leg lengthening surgery. I also belittle women who do so. Read my piece about make-up. And here, read this: “Men don’t pay attention to me, waaaah, because I don’t have big boobs, waaaah. So I’m going to go get big boobs, because then they’ll pay attention to me. Woo hoo! If I get bib boobs, I’ll be a REAL woman!” Sure you will.

    • Patr on March 7, 2016 at 1:39 pm
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    I will give you credit for seeing the other side, many women do not do that. Many women want to empower the women with chest implants at the expense of the men who have their own surgeries; my problem is the double standard.

    • Peg on March 7, 2016 at 8:32 pm
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    I’ll say this once more because it’s so incredibly important: you seem to equate women with feminists. That’s like equating men with republicans.

    • Patr on March 8, 2016 at 4:18 pm
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    I see the point you are trying to make: there is variation in women’s opinions; I understand that.
    And my point is that a woman who purports to fight for women’s rights should have some understanding of the problems of a short man.

    • Peg on March 8, 2016 at 6:03 pm
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    No, my point was much bigger than that. You kept making comments about ‘feminists’ when what you really meant was ‘women’.

    And are you referring to ME when you say ‘a woman’?

    Yes or no, why should someone who purports to fight for women’s rights have some understanding of the problems of a short man? Should some who purports to fight for black rights also have that understanding?

    And must that understanding be conveyed WHENEVER the person voices an argument supporting that fight?

    • Patr on March 9, 2016 at 3:26 pm
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    I was not referring to your larger point, but how your point relates to short men; that is your title for this blog entry.
    I was not referring to you, but women in general, and yes, also many feminists. Women complain about various kinds of discrimination, but say nothing about the discrimination that short men deal with, while expecting those short men to care about feminist problems; to me that makes no sense.

    • Frank Johnson on June 13, 2016 at 9:03 am
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    This blog made me think of my early 20’s, as I was rejected by the foxes who chased after the Alfa males and showed no more interest in me than glancing at a blade of grass next to the highway traveling at 75 MPH. And this made me think about my own personal experiences with tall women, a slightly different story from this blog, but same result due to being a Beta male.

    One 6’ tall girl, in a gym, talked to me with such a look of disinterested she couldn’t have looked or acted more uninterested if she had wanted to. I approached another, who I estimated being 5 foot 9 or 10 inches. She got angry with me for even asking her out and stuck her finger in my face informing me she didn’t date shorter men. On line, I met a girl 5’11”, and we worked out together once in my apartment complex gym, after that she did not return my two phone calls, there could be others, too, I just don’t remember them all. Now, you may say the rejections were because of my looks, that could be true, but as I approached girls closer to my height, my success rate went way up.

    This blog also made me think about the rejections by tall girls, and it angered me, but not at the time the rejection. Only years later, when I actually tallied them up, did I get angry. I was rejected not because I was fat, bald, ugly, deformed or had a rotten personality. No. The reason I was rejected by all of these women was my height. Not a one even bothered to put forth the effort to get to know me much less date me.

    I did date three women who were significantly taller than me, two at 5’11” and one at 5’10”. (I am 5’8”) And all three happened to be 32 years of age, which is more than a coincidence and a tie in with this blog. No doubt all three wanted a tall Alfa male, and lost, so a safe stable Beta male was the next best thing in their 30’s, for I certainly didn’t grow any taller and I doubt I got better looking. These women were past their prime and worried. I was in my late 30’s, at this time of my life, after being married for 10 years. It was also at this time, I could easily date younger women, and I did. When I was 38, my first girlfriend was 27, the next was 27 and the next was 24 who became my second wife. I never dated with any intent of marrying a woman my age. Younger women had no issue with me dating them, and I certainly had no issue dating them. I remember going to singles events and seeing very pretty women, who were my age, who I know 15 years earlier would not have given me the time of day. And even now, they may have looked better than myself, but now it was me who had no interest in approaching them. I did not want to take time and money away from pursuing younger women. Why go old, when I could go young? I was amazed how the dating game changed in my favor. And I used it to my advantage, just as women had done years earlier.

    I am now married and have 4 sons. I have 3 degrees, and I have co-authored 2 US patents. I could have provided a good life to any girl. I wanted a taller girl because of the physical turn on and to for fill one of my desires, yet not one single tall girl (in her 20’s) gave me a chance. I was turned down consistently and without a second thought. (Maybe due to the Alfa male fascination) So, if you find yourself in your late 20’s or early 30’s with no prospect of a husband or children in the immediate future, you have no one to blame but yourself. There were men like me, who wanted a leggy female, but they, like me, were never accorded the opportunity. (This also applies to average height women, too) And the reality is that the vast majority of tall women will not even consider a shorter man (and Beta males) until it is too late. You would think it would be obvious that if you included shorter males (and Beta males) in your suitor selection, your odds would increase of finding a mate. There are a lot more short and medium height males than there are taller ones. So my advice would be to accept the advances of all men and get to know them. I, who would have relished the opportunity of having curvy broad hips and a tapered waist to hold all night and to make love to into the early hours of the morning, was never, not once, even given a chance to start a relationship. Throw away the yardstick, for you may find someone like me, who would love to share his life and love with a tall girl.

    By the way, another tie in with this article and be found at this web site.
    This writer tell about his rejections in his 20’s by women only to find that women now chased after him, in spite of his height, now he is in his early 30’s. He warns of the dangers of the “Reformed Heightest Woman” who are desperate after wasting their life chasing the Alfa male and now want a stable Beta with a steady pay-check.
    Here is anther on how women who found the Mr. Average (Beta Males) were worth nothing in their 20’s and now that these women are in their 30’s can’t buy a date, even from the Beta Males

    Why women lose in the dating game
    During their 20s, women compete for the most highly desirable men, the Mr Bigs. Many will readily share a bed with the sporty, attractive, confident men, while ordinary men miss out. As Whiskey puts it at ”Joe Average Beta Male is about as desirable to women as a cold bowl of oatmeal.”
    ”I can’t believe how many men my age are only interested in younger women,” wails Gail, a 34-year-old advertising executive as she describes her first search through men’s profiles on the RSVP internet dating site. She is shocked to find many mid-30s men have set up their profiles to refuse mail from women their own age.
    Talking to many women like her, it’s intriguing how many look back on past relationships where they let good men get away because they weren’t ready. American journalist Kate Bolick wrote recently in The Atlantic about breaking off her three-year relationship with a man she described as ”intelligent, good-looking, loyal and kind”. She acknowledged ”there was no good reason to end things”, yet, at the time, she was convinced something was missing in the relationship. That was 11 years ago. She’s is now 39 and facing grim choices.

    Then there is the true hate monger as found at this site.

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